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  • Majjhima Nikāya 103Middle Discourses 103

KintisuttaIs This What You Think Of Me?

Evaṁ me sutaṁ—
evaṁ me → evamme (th) | evaṁ → evam (pts)
So I have heard.
ekaṁ samayaṁ bhagavā pisinārāyaṁ viharati baliharaṇe vanasaṇḍe.
pisinārāyaṁ → kusinārāyaṁ (bj, sya-all, pts1ed) | pisinārāyaṁ → kusinārāyaṁ (pts) | kusinārāyaṁ → pisinārāyaṁ (bj: machasaṁ) | pisinārāyaṁ → kusinārāyaṁ (cck: sī.) | Kusinārāyaṁ → So Sk Si Bu; Bm Pisinārāyaṁ. (pts note)
At one time the Buddha was staying near Kusinārā in the Forest of Offerings.
Tatra kho bhagavā bhikkhū āmantesi:There the Buddha addressed the mendicants, “bhikkhavo”ti.
bhikkhavoti → bhikkhavo ti (pts)
“Mendicants!”

“Bhadante”ti te bhikkhū bhagavato paccassosuṁ.
Bhadante → Bm Bhaddante. (pts note) | bhadanteti → bhadante ti (pts)
“Venerable sir,” they replied.
Bhagavā etadavoca:
etadavoca → etad avoca (pts)
The Buddha said this:

“kinti vo, bhikkhave, mayi hoti:“Mendicants, is this what you think of me? ‘cīvarahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ deseti, piṇḍapātahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ deseti, senāsanahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ deseti, itibhavābhavahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ desetī’”ti?
itibhavābhavahetu → iti bhavābhavahetu (bjt, th, pts)
‘The ascetic Gotama teaches the Dhamma for the sake of robes, almsfood, lodgings, or rebirth in this or that state.’”

“Na kho no, bhante, bhagavati evaṁ hoti:
Bhagavati → Sk omits. (pts note)
“No sir, we don’t think of you that way.”
‘cīvarahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ deseti, piṇḍapātahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ deseti, senāsanahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ deseti, itibhavābhavahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ desetī’”ti.
itibhavābhavahetu → iti bhavābhavahetu (th)

“Na ca kira vo, bhikkhave, mayi evaṁ hoti:“If you don’t think of me that way, ‘cīvarahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ deseti …pe…
pe → spelled out in full (bjt)
itibhavābhavahetu vā samaṇo gotamo dhammaṁ desetī’ti;
desetīti → Bm read dhammaṁ deseti --la-- iti bh. dh. d. (pts note) | itibhavābhavahetu → iti bhavābhavahetu (bjt, th)
atha kinti carahi vo, bhikkhave, mayi hotī”ti?
atha kinti carahi vo → atha kinti vo (pts1ed); atha kiñcarahi vo (mr) | carahi → (pts) | vo → atha kinti vo (cck: sī. pī.); atha kiñcarahi vo (cck: ka.) | kinticarahi → carahīti na dissati. ba. kiñcarahīti dissati (sya-all: yu.) | kinti → So Sk; Si adds carahi; Bm kiñ carahi. (pts note)
what then do you think of me?”

“Evaṁ kho no, bhante, bhagavati hoti:“We think of you this way: ‘anukampako bhagavā hitesī;‘The Buddha is sympathetic and wants what’s best for us. anukampaṁ upādāya dhammaṁ desetī’”ti.He teaches out of sympathy.’”

“Evañca kira vo, bhikkhave, mayi hoti:
evañca → evaṁ (pts) | Evañca → evaṁ (cck: sī. pī.) | Evaṁ → Bm Si evañ ca. (pts note)
“So it seems you think
‘anukampako bhagavā hitesī; anukampaṁ upādāya dhammaṁ desetī’ti.that I teach out of sympathy.

Tasmātiha, bhikkhave, ye vo mayā dhammā abhiññā desitā, seyyathidaṁ—
vo → ye te (mr) | vo → ye te (cck: ka.) | Tasmātiha → Sk adds te. (pts note) | ye → Sk sace. (pts note) | vo → Bm te. (pts note) | abhiññā → Sk omits. (pts note) | seyyathidaṁ → seyyathīdaṁ (th, pts)
In that case, each and every one of you should train in the things I have taught from my direct knowledge, that is:
cattāro satipaṭṭhānā cattāro sammappadhānā cattāro iddhipādā pañcindriyāni pañca balāni satta bojjhaṅgā ariyo aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo, tattha sabbeheva samaggehi sammodamānehi avivadamānehi sikkhitabbaṁ.
cattāro → cattaro (sya-all) | pañcindriyāni → pañc indriyāni (pts) | sabbeheva → sabbeh eva (pts)
the four kinds of mindfulness meditation, the four right efforts, the four bases of psychic power, the five faculties, the five powers, the seven awakening factors, and the noble eightfold path. You should train in these things in harmony, appreciating each other, without dispute.

Tesañca vo, bhikkhave, samaggānaṁ sammodamānānaṁ avivadamānānaṁ sikkhataṁ siyaṁsu dve bhikkhū abhidhamme nānāvādā.
siyaṁsu → tattha siyuṁ (bj); siyā (cck); siyuṁ (sya1ed, sya2ed, km) | siyaṁsu → siyuṁ (sya-all) | siyuṁ → siyaṁsu (bj: machasaṁ, sīmu) | siyaṁsu → siyuṁ (sī. syā. kaṁ.) saddanīti oloketabbā (cck note) | vo → Sk kho. (pts note) | nānāvādā → So Bm; Si siyā dve &c.; Sk sikkhitaṁ siddunā nāvādā; Bu sijiṁsu (?): abhidhamme: dve. (pts note) | tesañca → tesañ ca (pts)
As you do so, it may happen that two mendicants disagree about the teaching.

Tatra ce tumhākaṁ evamassa:
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
Now, you might think,
‘imesaṁ kho āyasmantānaṁ atthato ceva nānaṁ byañjanato ca nānan’ti, tattha yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
suvacataraṁ → subbacataraṁ (mr) | suvacataraṁ → subbacataraṁ (cck: ka.) | nānaṁ → Sk nānu. (pts note) | suvacataraṁ → Bm subbacataraṁ. (pts note) | ceva → eva (pts) | nānanti → nānan ti (pts) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
‘These two venerables disagree on both the meaning and the phrasing.’ So you should approach whichever mendicant you think is most amenable and say to them:
‘āyasmantānaṁ kho atthato ceva nānaṁ, byañjanato ca nānaṁ.
ceva → eva (pts)
‘The venerables disagree on the meaning and the phrasing.
Tadamināpetaṁ āyasmanto jānātha—
Tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (sya1ed, sya2ed, km) | tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (sya-all) | Tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (cck: syā. kaṁ.) | tadamināpetaṁ → tad aminā p etaṁ (pts)
But the venerables should know that this is how
yathā atthato ceva nānaṁ, byañjanato ca nānaṁ.
ceva → ca (sya-all) | yathā → Sk omits. (pts note) | ceva → eva (pts)
such disagreement on the meaning and the phrasing comes to be.
Māyasmanto vivādaṁ āpajjitthā’ti.
māyasmanto → mā āyasmanto (bj, sya-all, pts) | āyasmanto → Bm māyasmanto. (pts note)
Please don’t get into a dispute about this.’
Athāparesaṁ ekatopakkhikānaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
pakkhikānaṁ → Bm pakkhiyānaṁ. (pts note) | ekatopakkhikānaṁ → ekato pakkhikānaṁ (bjt, pts) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
Then you should approach whichever mendicant they think is most amenable among those who side with the other party and say to them:
‘āyasmantānaṁ kho atthato ceva nānaṁ, byañjanato ca nānaṁ.
ceva → eva (pts)
‘The venerables disagree on the meaning and the phrasing.
Tadamināpetaṁ āyasmanto jānātha—
tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (sya-all) | tadamināpetaṁ → tad aminā p etaṁ (pts)
But the venerables should know that this is how
yathā atthato ceva nānaṁ, byañjanato ca nānaṁ.
ceva → ca (sya-all) | ceva → eva (pts)
such disagreement on the meaning and the phrasing comes to be.
Māyasmanto vivādaṁ āpajjitthā’ti.
māyasmanto → mā āyasmanto (bj, sya-all, pts)
Please don’t get into a dispute about this.’
Iti duggahitaṁ duggahitato dhāretabbaṁ, suggahitaṁ suggahitato dhāretabbaṁ.
suggahitaṁ suggahitato dhāretabbaṁ → (sya-all) | duggahitaṁ duggahitato → duggahītaṁ duggahītato (pts) | dhāretabbaṁ → Bm (alone) adds sugahitaṁ sugahitato dhāretabbaṁ. (pts note)
So you should remember what has been incorrectly memorized as incorrectly memorized and what has been correctly memorized as correctly memorized.
Duggahitaṁ duggahitato dhāretvā suggahitaṁ suggahitato dhāretvā yo dhammo yo vinayo so bhāsitabbo.
dhāretvā suggahitaṁ suggahitato → (sya-all) | dhāretvā → iti duggahitaṁ duggahitato dhāretabbaṁ, duggahitaṁ duggahitato dhāretvā (sī. syā. kaṁ. pī.) anantaravārattaye pana idaṁ pāṭhanānattaṁ natthi (cck note) | duggahītaṁ → Bm Si duggahitaṁ throughout. (pts note) | dhāretvā → Bm adds sugahitaṁ sugahitato dhāretvā. (pts note) | duggahitaṁ duggahitato → duggahītaṁ duggahītato (pts)
Remembering this, you should speak on the teaching and the training.

Tatra ce tumhākaṁ evamassa:
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
Now, you might think,
‘imesaṁ kho āyasmantānaṁ atthato hi kho nānaṁ, byañjanato sametī’ti, tattha yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
yaṁ → Bm tatrāyaṁ. (pts note) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
‘These two venerables disagree on the meaning but agree on the phrasing.’ So you should approach whichever mendicant you think is most amenable and say to them:
‘āyasmantānaṁ kho atthato hi nānaṁ, byañjanato sameti.
+ → kho (bjt, th)
‘The venerables disagree on the meaning but agree on the phrasing.
Tadamināpetaṁ āyasmanto jānātha—
tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (sya-all) | tadamināpetaṁ → tad iminā p etaṁ (pts)
But the venerables should know that this is how
yathā atthato hi kho nānaṁ, byañjanato sameti.such disagreement on the meaning and agreement on the phrasing comes to be. Māyasmanto vivādaṁ āpajjitthā’ti.
māyasmanto → mā āyasmanto (bj, sya-all, pts)
Please don’t get into a dispute about this.’
Athāparesaṁ ekatopakkhikānaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
ekatopakkhikānaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ → ekato pakkhikānaṁ (pts) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
Then you should approach whichever mendicant they think is most amenable among those who side with the other party and say to them:
‘āyasmantānaṁ kho atthato hi kho nānaṁ, byañjanato sameti.‘The venerables disagree on the meaning but agree on the phrasing. Tadamināpetaṁ āyasmanto jānātha—
tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (sya-all) | āyasmanto → Sk here adds anāthaṁ yathā atthato hi kho nānabyañjanato sameti tad ūninā p'; etā āyasmanto. (pts note) | tadamināpetaṁ → tad iminā p etaṁ (pts)
But the venerables should know that this is how
yathā atthato hi kho nānaṁ, byañjanato sameti.such disagreement on the meaning and agreement on the phrasing comes to be. Māyasmanto vivādaṁ āpajjitthā’ti.
māyasmanto → mā āyasmanto (bj, sya-all, pts)
Please don’t get into a dispute about this.’
Iti duggahitaṁ duggahitato dhāretabbaṁ, suggahitaṁ suggahitato dhāretabbaṁ.
duggahitaṁ duggahitato → duggahītaṁ duggahītato (pts) | suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahītaṁ sugahītato (pts) | dhāretabbaṁ → So Bm Si; Sk suggahitaṁ throughout. (pts note) | suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahitaṁ sugahitato (th)
So you should remember what has been incorrectly memorized as incorrectly memorized and what has been correctly memorized as correctly memorized.
Duggahitaṁ duggahitato dhāretvā suggahitaṁ suggahitato dhāretvā yo dhammo yo vinayo so bhāsitabbo.
duggahitato → dughitato (bj) | duggahitaṁ duggahitato → duggahītaṁ duggahītato (pts) | suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahītaṁ sugahītato (pts) | suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahitaṁ sugahitato (th)
Remembering this, you should speak on the teaching and the training.

Tatra ce tumhākaṁ evamassa:
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
Now, you might think,
‘imesaṁ kho āyasmantānaṁ atthato hi kho sameti, byañjanato nānan’ti, tattha yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
kho → Sk adds dhammānaṁ. (pts note) | nānan → So Sk which generally reads nānu. (pts note) | tattha → Sk here tatra. (pts note) | nānanti → nānan ti (pts) | suvacataraṁ → suvacataram (pts) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
‘These two venerables agree on the meaning but disagree on the phrasing.’ So you should approach whichever mendicant you think is most amenable and say to them:
‘āyasmantānaṁ kho atthato hi sameti, byañjanato nānaṁ.
hi → Si adds kho; Sk adds me. (pts note)
‘The venerables agree on the meaning but disagree on the phrasing.
Tadamināpetaṁ āyasmanto jānātha—
tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (sya-all) | iminā → Si aminā. 7 Sk omits mā & reads appamattakehi āyasmanto vivādaṁ. (pts note) | tadamināpetaṁ → tad iminā p etaṁ (pts)
But the venerables should know that this is how
yathā atthato hi kho sameti, byañjanato nānaṁ.such agreement on the meaning and disagreement on the phrasing comes to be. Appamattakaṁ kho panetaṁ yadidaṁ—byañjanaṁ.
+ → mā (bjt, th, pts) | panetaṁ → pan etaṁ (pts)
But the phrasing is a minor matter.
Māyasmanto appamattake vivādaṁ āpajjitthā’ti.
māyasmanto → mā āyasmanto (bj, sya-all) | māyasmanto appamattake → mā āyasmanto appamattakehi (pts)
Please don’t get into a dispute about something so minor.’
Athāparesaṁ ekatopakkhikānaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
ekatopakkhikānaṁ → ekato pakkhikānaṁ (bjt, pts) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
Then you should approach whichever mendicant they think is most amenable among those who side with the other party and say to them:
‘āyasmantānaṁ kho atthato hi sameti, byañjanato nānaṁ.
kho → Bm omit this kho. & Sk omits the preceding kho. (pts note)
‘The venerables agree on the meaning but disagree on the phrasing.
Tadamināpetaṁ āyasmanto jānātha—
tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (sya-all) | tadamināpetaṁ → tad iminā p etaṁ (pts)
But the venerables should know that this is how
yathā atthato hi kho sameti, byañjanato nānaṁ.
yathā → (sya-all) | yathā → Si omits yathā. (pts note)
such agreement on the meaning and disagreement on the phrasing comes to be.
Appamattakaṁ kho panetaṁ yadidaṁ—byañjanaṁ.
+ → mā (bjt, th, pts) | panetaṁ → pan etaṁ (pts)
But the phrasing is a minor matter.
Māyasmanto appamattake vivādaṁ āpajjitthā’ti.
māyasmanto → mā āyasmanto (bj, sya-all) | māyasmanto appamattake → mā āyasmanto appamattakehi (pts) | appamattake → appamattakehi (cck: sī. pī.)
Please don’t get into a dispute about something so minor.’
Iti suggahitaṁ suggahitato dhāretabbaṁ, duggahitaṁ duggahitato dhāretabbaṁ.
suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahītaṁ sugahītato (pts) | duggahitaṁ duggahitato → duggahītaṁ duggahītato (pts) | suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahitaṁ sugahitato (th)
So you should remember what has been correctly memorized as correctly memorized and what has been incorrectly memorized as incorrectly memorized.
Suggahitaṁ suggahitato dhāretvā duggahitaṁ duggahitato dhāretvā yo dhammo yo vinayo so bhāsitabbo.
suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahītaṁ sugahītato (pts) | duggahitaṁ duggahitato → duggahītaṁ duggahītato (pts) | suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahitaṁ sugahitato (th)
Remembering this, you should speak on the teaching and the training.

Tatra ce tumhākaṁ evamassa:
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
Now, you might think,
‘imesaṁ kho āyasmantānaṁ atthato ceva sameti byañjanato ca sametī’ti, tattha yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
ceva → eva (pts) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
‘These two venerables agree on both the meaning and the phrasing.’ So you should approach whichever mendicant you think is most amenable and say to them:
‘āyasmantānaṁ kho atthato ceva sameti, byañjanato ca sameti.
kho → Sk omits kho. (pts note) | ceva → eva (pts)
‘The venerables agree on both the meaning and the phrasing.
Tadamināpetaṁ āyasmanto jānātha—
tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (sya-all) | tadamināpetaṁ → tad iminā p etaṁ (pts)
But the venerables should know that this is how
yathā atthato ceva sameti byañjanato ca sameti.
ceva → eva (pts)
they come to agree on the meaning and the phrasing.
Māyasmanto vivādaṁ āpajjitthā’ti.
māyasmanto → mā āyasmanto (bj, sya-all, pts)
Please don’t get into a dispute about this.’
Athāparesaṁ ekatopakkhikānaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
ekatopakkhikānaṁ → ekato pakkhikānaṁ (bjt) | athāparesaṁ ekatopakkhikānaṁ → atthāparesaṁ ekato pakkhikānaṁ (pts) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
Then you should approach whichever mendicant they think is most amenable among those who side with the other party and say to them:
‘āyasmantānaṁ kho atthato ceva sameti byañjanato ca sameti.
ceva → eva (pts)
‘The venerables agree on both the meaning and the phrasing.
Tadamināpetaṁ āyasmanto jānātha—
tadamināpetaṁ → tadimināpetaṁ (sya-all) | tadamināpetaṁ → tad iminā p etaṁ (pts)
But the venerables should know that this is how
yathā atthato ceva sameti byañjanato ca sameti.
ceva → eva (pts)
they come to agree on the meaning and the phrasing.
Māyasmanto vivādaṁ āpajjitthā’ti.
māyasmanto → mā āyasmanto (bj, sya-all, pts) | āpajjitthāti → Sk omits this sentence, -- from Athāparesaṁ. (pts note)
Please don’t get into a dispute about this.’
Iti suggahitaṁ suggahitato dhāretabbaṁ.
suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahītaṁ sugahītato (pts) | suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahitaṁ sugahitato (th)
So you should remember what has been correctly memorized as correctly memorized.
Suggahitaṁ suggahitato dhāretvā yo dhammo yo vinayo so bhāsitabbo.
suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahītaṁ sugahītato (pts) | suggahitaṁ suggahitato → sugahitaṁ sugahitato (th)
Remembering this, you should speak on the teaching and the training.

Tesañca vo, bhikkhave, samaggānaṁ sammodamānānaṁ avivadamānānaṁ sikkhataṁ siyā aññatarassa bhikkhuno āpatti siyā vītikkamo,
sammodamānānaṁ → sammodamānaṁ (pts) | vo → So Bm Si; Sk tesaṁ kho. (pts note) | vītikkamo → Bm Si vitikkamo. (pts note) | tesañca → tesañ ca (pts)
As you train in harmony, appreciating each other, without dispute, one of the mendicants might commit an offense or transgression.
tatra, bhikkhave, na codanāya taritabbaṁ. Puggalo upaparikkhitabbo:
taritabbaṁ → coditabbaṁ (sya-all, km, mr); turitabbaṁ (?) | taritabbaṁ → coditabba (sya-all) | taritabbaṁ → coditabbaṁ (cck: syā. kaṁ. ka.); turitabbaṁ (cck: ?) | coditabba → taritabubaṁ (sya-all: sī.) | taritabbaṁ → So Sk Bu; Bm Si coditabbaṁ, the latter with note that the Sinhalese reading is taritabbaṁ. (pts note)
In such a case, you should not be in a hurry to accuse them. The individual should be examined like this:
‘iti mayhañca avihesā bhavissati parassa ca puggalassa anupaghāto, paro hi puggalo akkodhano anupanāhī adaḷhadiṭṭhī suppaṭinissaggī, sakkomi cāhaṁ etaṁ puggalaṁ akusalā vuṭṭhāpetvā kusale patiṭṭhāpetun’ti.
adaḷhadiṭṭhī → adandhadiṭṭhī (bj, pts) | adaḷhadiṭṭhī → adandadiṭṭhi. yu. adandhadiṭṭhīti dissati (sya-all: sī.) | anupaghāto → Sk anupasāno. (pts note) | adandhadiṭṭhī → So Sk Bu; Bm Si adaḷhadiṭṭhi, the latter with note that the Sinhalese reading is adandadīṭṭhi (sic). (pts note) | suppaṭinissaggī → supaṭinissaggī (th) | mayhañca → mayhañ ca (pts) | patiṭṭhāpetunti → patiṭṭhāpetun ti (pts)
‘I won’t be troubled and the other individual won’t be hurt, for they’re not irritable and acrimonious. They don’t hold fast to their views, but let them go easily. I can draw them away from the unskillful and establish them in the skillful.’
Sace, bhikkhave, evamassa, kallaṁ vacanāya.
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
If that’s what you think, then it’s appropriate to speak to them.

Sace pana, bhikkhave, evamassa:
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
But suppose you think this:
‘mayhaṁ kho avihesā bhavissati parassa ca puggalassa upaghāto, paro hi puggalo kodhano upanāhī adaḷhadiṭṭhī suppaṭinissaggī, sakkomi cāhaṁ etaṁ puggalaṁ akusalā vuṭṭhāpetvā kusale patiṭṭhāpetuṁ.
adaḷhadiṭṭhī → adandhadiṭṭhī (bj); dandhadiṭṭhī (pts) | adaḷhadiṭṭhī suppaṭinissaggī → daḷhadiṭṭhī supaṭinissaggī (sya-all) | Mayhaṁ → Sk mayhaṅ ca kho. (pts note)
‘I will be troubled and the other individual will be hurt, for they’re irritable and acrimonious. However, they don’t hold fast to their views, but let them go easily. I can draw them away from the unskillful and establish them in the skillful.
Appamattakaṁ kho panetaṁ yadidaṁ—parassa puggalassa upaghāto.
parassa → yadidaṁ mayhañca vihesā bhavissati parassa ca (cck: ka.) | yadidaṁ → Bm (alone) adds here mayañ ca vihesā bhavissati, & inserts ca after parassa. (pts note) | panetaṁ → pan etaṁ (pts)
But for the other individual to get hurt is a minor matter.
Atha kho etadeva bahutaraṁ—
etadeva → etad eva (pts)
It’s more important
svāhaṁ sakkomi etaṁ puggalaṁ akusalā vuṭṭhāpetvā kusale patiṭṭhāpetun’ti.
svāhaṁ → sohaṁ (bj, pts) | sohaṁ → svāhaṁ (bj: machasaṁ) | akusalā → Sk kusale. (pts note) | svāhaṁ → so haṁ (pts) | patiṭṭhāpetunti → patiṭṭhāpetun ti (pts)
that I can draw them away from the unskillful and establish them in the skillful.’
Sace, bhikkhave, evamassa, kallaṁ vacanāya.
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
If that’s what you think, then it’s appropriate to speak to them.

Sace pana, bhikkhave, evamassa:
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
But suppose you think this:
‘mayhaṁ kho vihesā bhavissati parassa ca puggalassa anupaghāto. Paro hi puggalo akkodhano anupanāhī daḷhadiṭṭhī duppaṭinissaggī, sakkomi cāhaṁ etaṁ puggalaṁ akusalā vuṭṭhāpetvā kusale patiṭṭhāpetuṁ.
daḷhadiṭṭhī → adandhadiṭṭhī (bj, pts) | ca → (sya-all) | duppaṭinissaggī → supaṭinissaggī (sya-all) | kho → Sk mayañ ca kho. 12 Sk here, & Si for the second time, omit ca. (pts note)
‘I will be troubled but the other individual won’t be hurt, for they’re not irritable and acrimonious. However, they hold fast to their views, refusing to let go. Nevertheless, I can draw them away from the unskillful and establish them in the skillful.
Appamattakaṁ kho panetaṁ yadidaṁ—mayhaṁ vihesā.
vihesā → mayhañca vihesā bhavissati parassa ca puggalassa upaghāto (cck: ka.) | vihesā → So Si; Sk mayhañ ca vihesā; Bm mayhañ ca bhavissati parassa ca puggalass'; upaghāto. (pts note) | panetaṁ → pan etaṁ (pts)
But for me to be troubled is a minor matter.
Atha kho etadeva bahutaraṁ—
etadeva → etad eva (pts)
It’s more important
svāhaṁ sakkomi etaṁ puggalaṁ akusalā vuṭṭhāpetvā kusale patiṭṭhāpetun’ti.
svāhaṁ → sohaṁ (bj, pts) | haṁ → Bm Si svāhaṁ. (pts note) | svāhaṁ → so haṁ (pts) | patiṭṭhāpetunti → patiṭṭhāpetun ti (pts)
that I can draw them away from the unskillful and establish them in the skillful.’
Sace, bhikkhave, evamassa, kallaṁ vacanāya.
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
If that’s what you think, then it’s appropriate to speak to them.

Sace pana, bhikkhave, evamassa:
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
But suppose you think this:
‘mayhañca kho vihesā bhavissati parassa ca puggalassa upaghāto. Paro hi puggalo kodhano upanāhī daḷhadiṭṭhī duppaṭinissaggī, sakkomi cāhaṁ etaṁ puggalaṁ akusalā vuṭṭhāpetvā kusale patiṭṭhāpetuṁ.
daḷhadiṭṭhī → adandhadiṭṭhī (bj) | mayhañca → mayhaṁ (pts) | paro → pāro (pts) | daḷhadiṭṭhī → dandhadiṭṭhī (pts)
‘I will be troubled and the other individual will be hurt, for they’re irritable and acrimonious. And they hold fast to their views, refusing to let go. Nevertheless, I can draw them away from the unskillful and establish them in the skillful.
Appamattakaṁ kho panetaṁ yadidaṁ—mayhañca vihesā bhavissati parassa ca puggalassa upaghāto.
bhavissati → (bj, sya-all) | Appamattakaṁ → Sk adds ca. (pts note) | mayhaṁ → All MSS add ca. (pts note) | panetaṁ → pan etaṁ (pts)
But for me to be troubled and the other individual to get hurt is a minor matter.
Atha kho etadeva bahutaraṁ—
etadeva → etad eva (pts)
It’s more important
svāhaṁ sakkomi etaṁ puggalaṁ akusalā vuṭṭhāpetvā kusale patiṭṭhāpetun’ti.
svāhaṁ → sohaṁ (bj) | svāhaṁ → so haṁ (pts) | patiṭṭhāpetunti → patiṭṭhāpetun ti (pts)
that I can draw them away from the unskillful and establish them in the skillful.’
Sace, bhikkhave, evamassa, kallaṁ vacanāya.
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
If that’s what you think, then it’s appropriate to speak to them.

Sace pana, bhikkhave, evamassa:
evamassa → evam assa (pts)
But suppose you think this:
‘mayhañca kho vihesā bhavissati parassa ca puggalassa upaghāto. Paro hi puggalo kodhano upanāhī daḷhadiṭṭhī duppaṭinissaggī, na cāhaṁ sakkomi etaṁ puggalaṁ akusalā vuṭṭhāpetvā kusale patiṭṭhāpetun’ti.
daḷhadiṭṭhī → dandhadiṭṭhī (bj) | patiṭṭhāpetunti → paṭitthāpetun ti (pts) | ti → So Si; Sk p-uṁ. (pts note) | mayhañca → mayhaṁ (pts)
‘I will be troubled and the other individual will be hurt, for they’re irritable and acrimonious. And they hold fast to their views, refusing to let go. I cannot draw them away from the unskillful and establish them in the skillful.’
Evarūpe, bhikkhave, puggale upekkhā nātimaññitabbā.
bhikkhave → (sya-all) | upekhā → So Sk Bu; Bm Si apekkhā. (pts note)
Don’t underestimate the value of equanimity regarding such an individual.

Tesañca vo, bhikkhave, samaggānaṁ sammodamānānaṁ avivadamānānaṁ sikkhataṁ aññamaññassa vacīsaṁhāro uppajjeyya diṭṭhipaḷāso cetaso āghāto appaccayo anabhiraddhi.
diṭṭhipaḷāso → diṭṭhipalāso (bj, mr) | vacīsaṁhāro → vacīsaṁsāro (bj); vacīsaṅkhāro (si, sya-all, pts1ed) | vacīsaṁhāro → vacīsaṁkhāro (pts) | vacīsaṁsāro → vacīsaṁhāro (bj: machasaṁ); saṁkhāro (bj: sīmu) | vacīsaṁhāro → vacīsaṅkhāro (cck: sī. pī.) | diṭṭhipaḷāso → diṭṭhipalāso (cck: sī. ka.) | vo → Sk kho. (pts note) | vacīsaṁkhāro → So Sk Si Bu; Bm vacīsaṁharo. (pts note) | diṭṭhipaḷāso → So Sk Si Bu; Bm d-palāso. (pts note) | tesañca → tesañ ca (pts)
As you train in harmony, appreciating each other, without quarreling, the sides might continue to bring up settled issues with each other, with contempt for each other’s views, resentful, bitter, and exasperated.
Tattha ekatopakkhikānaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
ekatopakkhikānaṁ → ekato pakkhikānaṁ (bjt, pts) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
In this case you should approach whichever mendicant you think is most amenable among those who side with one party and say to them:
‘yaṁ no, āvuso, amhākaṁ samaggānaṁ sammodamānānaṁ avivadamānānaṁ sikkhataṁ aññamaññassa vacīsaṁhāro uppanno diṭṭhipaḷāso cetaso āghāto appaccayo anabhiraddhi, taṁ jānamāno samaṇo garaheyyā’ti.
samaṇo → samāno (bj, mr) | vacīsaṁhāro → vacīsaṁsāro (bj); vacīsaṅkhāro (sya-all, pts) | diṭṭhipaḷāso → diṭṭhipalāso (bj) | samāno → samaṇo (bj: machasaṁ, PTS) | garaheyyā’ti → samāno (cck: sī. ka.) | yaṁ no → yanno (th) | yaṁ → yan (pts) | vacīsaṁhāro → vacīsaṁkhāro (pts) | taṁ → tam (pts)
‘Reverend, as we were training, the sides continued to bring up settled issues with each other. If the Ascetic knew about this, would he criticize it?’
Sammā byākaramāno, bhikkhave, bhikkhu evaṁ byākareyya:
byākaramāno → vyākaramāno (pts) | byākareyya → vyākareyya (pts)
Answering rightly, the mendicant should say:
‘yaṁ no, āvuso, amhākaṁ samaggānaṁ sammodamānānaṁ avivadamānānaṁ sikkhataṁ aññamaññassa vacīsaṁhāro uppanno diṭṭhipaḷāso cetaso āghāto appaccayo anabhiraddhi, taṁ jānamāno samaṇo garaheyyāti.
vacīsaṁhāro → vacīsaṁsāro (bj); vacīsaṅkhāro (sya-all) | diṭṭhipaḷāso → diṭṭhipalāso (bj) | samaṇo → samāno (bj) | vacīsaṁsāro → vacīsaṁhāro (bj: machasaṁ); saṁkhāro (bj: sīmu) | samāno → samaṇo (bj: machasaṁ, PTS) | yaṁ no → yanno (th)
‘Yes, reverend, he would.’
Etaṁ panāvuso, dhammaṁ appahāya nibbānaṁ sacchikareyyā’ti.
appahāya → appahāyā (pts) | Etaṁ → So Bm Si Bu; Sk evam. (pts note) | appahāyā → Bm (alone) adds na. (pts note) | etaṁ panāvuso → etampanāvuso (th) | panāvuso → pan āvuso (pts)
‘But without giving that up, reverend, can one realize extinguishment?’
Sammā byākaramāno, bhikkhave, bhikkhu evaṁ byākareyya:
byākaramāno → vyākaramāno (pts) | byākareyya → vyākareyya (pts)
Answering rightly, the mendicant should say:
‘etaṁ, āvuso, dhammaṁ appahāya na nibbānaṁ sacchikareyyā’ti.
na → So Bm Si; Sk omits. (pts note) | + → kho (bjt, th, pts)
‘No, reverend, one cannot.’

Athāparesaṁ ekatopakkhikānaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ yaṁ bhikkhuṁ suvacataraṁ maññeyyātha, so upasaṅkamitvā evamassa vacanīyo:
suvacataraṁ → suvacatarā (bj) | ekatopakkhikānaṁ → ekato pakkhikānaṁ (bjt, pts) | upasaṅkamitvā evamassa → upasaṁkamitvā evam assa (pts)
Then you should approach whichever mendicant they think is most amenable among those who side with the other party and say to them:
‘yaṁ no, āvuso, amhākaṁ samaggānaṁ sammodamānānaṁ avivadamānānaṁ sikkhataṁ aññamaññassa vacīsaṁhāro uppanno diṭṭhipaḷāso cetaso āghāto appaccayo anabhiraddhi, taṁ jānamāno samaṇo garaheyyā’ti.
vacīsaṁhāro → vacīsaṁsāro (bj); vacīsaṅkhāro (sya-all) | diṭṭhipaḷāso → diṭṭhipalāso (bj) | samaṇo → samāno (bj) | vacīsaṁsāro → vacīsaṁhāro (bj: machasaṁ); saṁkhāro (bj: sīmu) | samāno → samaṇo (bj: machasaṁ, PTS) | yaṁ no → yanno (th)
‘Reverend, as we were training, the sides continued to bring up settled issues with each other. If the Ascetic knew about this, would he criticize it?’
Sammā byākaramāno, bhikkhave, bhikkhu evaṁ byākareyya:
byākaramāno → vyākaramāno (pts) | byākareyya → vyākareyya (pts)
Answering rightly, the mendicant should say:
‘yaṁ no, āvuso, amhākaṁ samaggānaṁ sammodamānānaṁ avivadamānānaṁ sikkhataṁ aññamaññassa vacīsaṁhāro uppanno diṭṭhipaḷāso cetaso āghāto appaccayo anabhiraddhi taṁ jānamāno samaṇo garaheyyāti.
vacīsaṁhāro → vacīsaṁsāro (bj); vacīsaṅkhāro (sya-all) | diṭṭhipaḷāso → diṭṭhipalāso (bj) | samaṇo → samāno (bj) | yaṁ no → yanno (th)
‘Yes, reverend, he would.’
Etaṁ panāvuso, dhammaṁ appahāya nibbānaṁ sacchikareyyā’ti.
appahāya → appahāya na (bj) | na → So Sk Bm; Si omits. (pts note) | etaṁ panāvuso → etampanāvuso (th) | panāvuso → pan āvuso (pts)
‘But without giving that up, reverend, can one realize extinguishment?’
Sammā byākaramāno, bhikkhave, bhikkhu evaṁ byākareyya:
byākaramāno → vyākaramāno (pts) | byākareyya → vyākaramāno vyākareyya (pts)
Answering rightly, the mendicant should say:
‘etaṁ kho, āvuso, dhammaṁ appahāya na nibbānaṁ sacchikareyyā’ti.
na → So all MSS here. (pts note)
‘No, reverend, one cannot.’

Tañce, bhikkhave, bhikkhuṁ pare evaṁ puccheyyuṁ:
ce → So Bm Si Bu; Sk tava. (pts note) | puccheyyuṁ → So Bm Si; Sk paro evaṁ puccheyya. (pts note) | tañce → taṁ ce (my) | tañce → tañ ce (pts)
If others should ask that mendicant:
‘āyasmatā no ete bhikkhū akusalā vuṭṭhāpetvā kusale patiṭṭhāpitā’ti?
patiṭṭhāpitāti → patiṭṭhāpitā ti (pts)
‘Were you the venerable who drew those mendicants away from the unskillful and established them in the skillful?’
Sammā byākaramāno, bhikkhave, bhikkhu evaṁ byākareyya:
byākaramāno → vyākaramāno (pts) | byākareyya → vyākareyya (pts)
Answering rightly, the mendicant should say:
‘idhāhaṁ, āvuso, yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkamiṁ, tassa me bhagavā dhammaṁ desesi, tāhaṁ dhammaṁ sutvā tesaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ abhāsiṁ.
desesi tāhaṁ → deseti tassāhaṁ (sya-all) | upasaṁkamiṁ → Sk Bm upasaṁkami. (pts note) | desesi → Bm Si deseti. (pts note) | tāhaṁ → So Bm Bu; Si tassāhaṁ; Sk tā-. (pts note) | tenupasaṅkamiṁ → ten upasaṁkamiṁ (pts)
‘Well, reverends, I approached the Buddha. He taught me the Dhamma. After hearing that teaching I explained it to those mendicants.
Taṁ te bhikkhū dhammaṁ sutvā akusalā vuṭṭhahiṁsu, kusale patiṭṭhahiṁsū’ti.
akusalā → akusale (pts) | vuṭṭhahiṁsu → Sk omits akusale vutthahiṁsu. (pts note)
When those mendicants heard that teaching they were drawn away from the unskillful and established in the skillful.’
Evaṁ byākaramāno kho, bhikkhave, bhikkhu na ceva attānaṁ ukkaṁseti, na paraṁ vambheti, dhammassa cānudhammaṁ byākaroti, na ca koci sahadhammiko vādānuvādo gārayhaṁ ṭhānaṁ āgacchatī”ti.
ceva attānaṁ ukkaṁseti → cevattānukkaṁseti (sya-all) | gārayhaṁ ṭhānaṁ → gārayhaṭṭhānaṁ (sya-all) | vambheti → vamheti (pts) | ukkaṁseti → Bm Si attānukkaṁseti. (pts note) | vamheti → So Sk; Bm Si vambheti. (pts note) | vādānuvādo → So Bm Si Bu; Sk vādānupato. (pts note) | gārayhaṁ → Si gāreyhaṭṭhānaṁ. (pts note) | byākaramāno → vyākaramāno (pts) | ceva → ev (pts) | byākaroti → vyākaroti (pts)
Answering in this way, that mendicant doesn’t glorify themselves or put others down. They answer in line with the teaching, with no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism.”

Idamavoca bhagavā.
idamavoca → idam avoca (pts)
That is what the Buddha said.
Attamanā te bhikkhū bhagavato bhāsitaṁ abhinandunti.
abhinandunti → abhinandun ti (pts)
Satisfied, the mendicants approved what the Buddha said.

Kintisuttaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ tatiyaṁ.
kintisuttaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ → kinti suttaṁ (bjt)

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